A CWO Gameshow! Some Up and Vanished News, and Elizabeth Smart on A&E

A CWO Gameshow! Some Up and Vanished News, and Elizabeth Smart on A&E

Watch out - this episode is punchy! The Crime Writers settle a beef, play a couple of games, and yes, talk about Payne Lindsey's new TV deal AND his YouTube music video alter ego.

Then, a look at the Elizabeth Smart case through the lens of the new A&E 2-park documentary, the super confusingly named Biography Presents: Elizabeth Smart Autoiography.

Plus, our Crime of the Week cuts the cheese!

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Stranger Things 2 Reviewed, Maura Murray Disputed, Bowe Bergdahl Sentenced

Stranger Things 2 Reviewed, Maura Murray Disputed, Bowe Bergdahl Sentenced

The Crime Writers complain about Rebecca's jet lag and a certain crappy airline, and Lara is about to LITERALLY become a crazy cat lady. Plus, Toby's book is classy AF in French!

Then, a trio of True Crime Updates: Bowe Bergdahl's been sentenced! That Maura Murray TV show made a crazy claim! And Making a Murderer's Steven Avery still has a filing-happy lawyer who seems to love accusing every single one of his relatives of something.

The panel does a deep dive review of Stranger Things 2 - and gives a pretty great explanation of why episode 7 is the most disappointing thing to ever happen in history of forever.

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Heaven's Gate, Toby's Cult of Personality, & Stranger Things 2 First Impressions

Heaven's Gate, Toby's Cult of Personality, & Stranger Things 2 First Impressions

Check out the email we got kicking us off the Amazon Associates program!

No more Amazon list??? Yup, the behemoth site kicked us out of their affiliate program, so we'll have to find something else for Toby to do... 

The Crime Writers open up the hit podcast Heaven's Gate, and, KNOWLEDGE ALERT, one of the panel is kind of an expert on the cult phenomenon.

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Plus, the panel will dive into Stranger Things 2 in full next week, but isn't shy about sharing first impressions. And no, Toby STILL hasn't seen Goonies! Also, an update from the courtroom in the Serial Season 2 subject Bowe Bergdahl's sentencing, and our Crime of the Week climbs to 30,000 feet for some felonious hanky panky.

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Mindhunter from Netflix, Making a Murderer's Paper Trail, and an Ode to Stampy

Mindhunter from Netflix, Making a Murderer's Paper Trail, and an Ode to Stampy

The Crime Writers dive in to Mindhunter - a series from Netflix about FBI profilers that even Rebecca can get behind. And newly-minted Broadway Siri Patrick Hinds makes a cameo with a little Groffsauce primer you won't want to miss!

Plus, Stampy died! Lara does a little PSA every pet lover should listen to.

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And, yet another filing in the never-ending paper trail for Making a Murderer's Steven Avery. Is his lawyer Kathleen Zellner a genius? Or is she a little cuckoo?

Finally, our Crime of the Week asks a critical question...what would *you* do if you came home from the thrift shop with a dead person in your purchase?

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    Accused Season 2 and BIG Serial and S-Town legal news

    Accused Season 2 and BIG Serial and S-Town legal news

    The Crime Writers review the second season of Rebecca's favorite true crime podcast from last year, Accused by the Cincinnati Enquirer. Will the story of the unsolved murder of Retha Welch stand up to the success of season one? (Spoiler alert: one of us has issues!)

    In a pair of true crime podcast updates, we talk about the surprising plea deal made by S-Town subject Tyler Goodson, as well as the maybe-surprising plea in Bowe Bergdahl's case.

    Our Crime of the Week will make you high...especially if donuts are your drug of choice.

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      Dirty John (and Debra!), a Sarah Koenig encounter, and a (maybe) deal for Serial's Bowe Bergdhal

      Dirty John (and Debra!), a Sarah Koenig encounter, and a (maybe) deal for Serial's Bowe Bergdhal

      Rebecca met Sarah Koenig! And it was only 75% awkward.

      What's the latest with Serial season two subject Bowe Bergdahl? Seems he's made some kind of deal with the government. We invite back retired USMC Lt Col James Weirick of the Military Justice podcast to explain why he thinks some of the early media reports are wrong and what a plea for a lighter sentence might look like.

      Then the panel digs into the new hit podcast from the LA Times, Dirty John.

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      This six-part true crime profile looks at grifter John Meehan and the trouble he wreaked on Debra Newell and her family. Judging by your Twitter and Facebook questions, you seemed just as amazed by Debra's willingness to forgive the gold digger as you are in Dirty John's evil designs.

      In Crime of the Week, how many Facebook likes would you need before your turned yourself into the police?

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        Law & Order does the Menendez Brothers, Scott Peterson's guilt in question, Steven Avery gets dealt a blow

        Law & Order does the Menendez Brothers, Scott Peterson's guilt in question, Steven Avery gets dealt a blow

        Law & Order does the Menendez Brothers, Scott Peterson's guilt is in question, Steven Avery gets dealt a blow

        The Crime Writers review the totally not Law & Order take on a famous case: Law & Order: The Menendez murders. Plus, a big setback for Stephen Avery has the panel revisiting our opinions on the Making a Murderer protagonist's guilt. Also in question...the guilt of Scott Peterson. Yeah, we know.

        In the Crime of the Week, things go wrong when a school administrator tries to pull a silly prank.

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        American Vandal, The Confession Tapes, and a Making a Murderer update

        American Vandal, The Confession Tapes, and a Making a Murderer update

        Did Brendan Dassey's dubious confession on "Making a Murderer" make your skin crawl? The Chief Circuit Judge in his ongoing appeal said it did. But the other two federal judges may be leaning the other way.

        In podcast news: "Accused" will roll out a new season next month. Also, the teams behind HowStuffWorks and Up & Vanished are getting together to re-investigate a series of child murders in Atlanta that were solved in 1981.

        This week's podcast focuses on two very different series from Netflix. "The Confession Tapes" shows a series of cases in which the police used questionable techniques to get suspects to confess. Were they falsely given? Were they merely aggressive or provocative ways to get a killer to admit to their crimes?

        Next, the unexpectedly savvy satire of everything we love about true crime. "American Vandal" may start as a lowbrow take-off on "Serial" or "Making a Murder," but the comedy is surprisingly meta, embracing all tropes of the podcasts and documentaries which have become ubiquitous. In the end, we still want to know, "Who drew the dicks?"

        In the Crime of the Week - the FBI really shouldn't tell the Internet to ask them anything.

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        The Deuce review, updates on Slenderman, S-Town and Unabomber and SO much more

        The Deuce review, updates on Slenderman, S-Town and Unabomber and SO much more

        The Crime Writers change the way we do business because someone told us to. We dive into a bunch of updates on cases surrounding the S-Town podcast and the super-creepy stabbing at the center of the HBO documentary "Beware the Slenderman," plus Kevin holds Rebecca hostage and forces her to watch the rest of that ridiculous Unabomber show.

        Speaking of being held hostage, will the team force Kevin to listen to even more Someone Knows Something? (Yeah, we hope get to do that!)

        We then dig in to The Deuce, the latest in prestige TV from HBO and David Simon, the creator of the show that white people LOVE to talk about loving, The Wire.

        In our crime of the week, a jogger takes a big ol' poop on someone's lawn. No, that really is a thing.

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        We review Hanging AND catch-up on Laci, Scientology, Slenderman & more!

        We review Hanging AND catch-up on Laci, Scientology, Slenderman & more!

        Weekly episodes have returned (no more goldbricking for Bricker - no more laying about for Lavoie)! The Crime Writers revisit some of the content they've recently discussed and give final verdicts on HomecomingThe Murder of Laci Peterson, and updates in the Slenderman case. Toby offers a preview of next week's topic: HBO's The Deuce. And the blow-back about the Payne Lyndsey - Up and Vanished controversy is deafening...not.

        The panel dives into the new podcast from the Mercury News, "Hanging: The mysterious case of the boy in the barn." While it gets high marks for transparency and journalistic sensibilities, is there any story worth pursuing in this investigation into a ten-year-old's suicide?

        In Crime of the Week, how much Liquid Plumber can we get to London?

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          That Laci Peterson series, a Bowe Bergdahl update, and a podcaster controversy

          That Laci Peterson series, a Bowe Bergdahl update, and a podcaster controversy

          Red-eyed and jet-lagged, Rebecca and Kevin are back from Podcast Movement in Anaheim with stories of their exploits with your (and their) favorite podcasters. They'll spill some tea over what caused some controversy a big name - "NOT a podcaster" Payne Lindsey from Up & Vanished - made an audacious, self-congratulatory presentation...and how some even bigger names in the room reacted.

          Plus, a true crime podcast update! A hungover R&K met up with old friend Lt Col James Weirick for an update on Bowe Bergdahl's court martial and the defense's move that could bode well for the disgraced former POW. (Audio of the full discussion can be found below - and beware, it's unedited and was literally recorded in a hotel hallway.)

          Back in the confines of Square Egg Studio, Lara & Toby chime in on A&E's new limited series, "The Murder of Laci Peterson." So far, the show seems to be playing the story down the middle, not sensationalizing its retrospective of the crime, and is of surprisingly high quality for a basic cable show.

          Then in Crime of the Week: our house is a very very very moldy house.

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            Can I Get a Show of Black Hands & Let's Binge on Ozark

            Casting Call, Black Hands & Ozark Binge

            We're ready for our close ups! Our listeners asked and answered the hypothetical question, "If there were a movie about the Crime Writers, who would be cast to play them?" The results are in from #crimewriterscasting. Let's say three out of the four of us are satisfied with the picks.

            We grapple with "Black Hands" (see the play on words there?) -  a true crime podcast about New Zealand's Bain family murders. Rather than a re-investigation or reexamination of the case, the ten-part series is a deep, DEEP dive into David Bain's second trial with narrator Martin van Beynen's ultimate argument that the jury got it wrong.

            Then we stream our way through Netflix's new series "Ozark." With its comparisons to "Breaking Bad," how does this normal-guy-caught-in-a-web-of-criminal-enterprise TV show stand on its own? Have we seen this before? Or is it a fresh take on the emerging genre?

            In the Crime of the Week: the suggestion box is stuffed with requests to do something about the dead people piling up in the break room.

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              Manhunt: Unabomber, A Profiler Debate, & Homecoming Season 2 Review

              Manhunt: Unabomber, A Profiler Debate, & Homecoming Season 2 Review

              The Crime Writers tackle a pair of hot media properties this week with a look at the Discovery Channel's latest foray into crime with Manhunt: The Unabomber. This leads to a heated debate about how FBI profilers are portrayed in crime drama...and Rebecca joins #TeamToby for the first time!

              Then, a review of the second season of Homecoming, the dramatized podcast with a stellar cast from Gimlet Media. Is the show in a second season slump? Will Rebecca ever stop calling David Schwimmer "Ross from Friends?" We'll answer those questions and a whole lot more.

              Finally, our Crime of the Week gives the panel a chance to relish Toby's response.

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                OJ Gets Out, Game of Thrones Groans, Breakdown Returns, A Trace Review

                OJ Gets Out, Game of Thrones Groans, Breakdown Returns, A Trace Review

                So that happened...OJ Simpson got early release for his 2007 Las Vegas robbery conviction. After watching the "Parole Hearing of the Century," what do the Crime Writers think? Should the parole board have considered his past arrest in that infamous double murder case when making their decision?

                Since every other podcast is talking about Game of Thrones this week, we ask Toby to give his take on HBO's swords-and-sex mega-hit. Only problem is...he hasn't watched the first six seasons, so his WTF perspective is completely fresh.

                Let's travel below The Gnat Line with the new season of "Breakdown." Bill Rankin is back with a new tale of systemic breakdowns in the GA legal system. Episode one laid out the case of Devonia Inman. Does his focus on the players and not the game leave us intrigued enough to keep listening?

                Next we take a deep dive in the four-part podcast from the Australian Broadcast Company, "Trace." It's "Accused" meets "The Keepers." A woman was killed in her bookstore in 1980. The parish priests, one of whom molested her disabled son, were publicly hostile toward her. The panel weighs in on whether his cold case miniseries has enough "there" there to hold our interest.

                In the Crime of the Week - manscaping could have prevented this tragedy.

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                Dassey Hopes Dashed, More Ear Hustling, & Making a Mogul

                Dassey Hopes Dashed, More Ear Hustling, & Making a Mogul

                As David Lee Roth said, "I heard you missed us. We're back." A one-week break gives us plenty of time to listen to stuff. And catch up on the latest news from the world of true crime.

                We circle back for a listen to the sophomore installment of "Ear Hustle." Thank you Lt. Sam Robinson for approving this story.

                (And you can click here to watch that Today Show segment about Ear Hustle that Rebecca mentioned!)

                Lara reports on the whirling dervish that is the Brendan Dassey appeal. He wins. He loses. He loses again. The "Making a Murderer" supporting player isn't going anywhere soon. Will the state give him is court-ordered re-trial or just appeal to higher and higher courts? (Sound familiar, Adnan?)

                Next we look at Gimlet's new podcast, "Mogul." It tells the story of hip-hop executive Chris Lighty - the most important musical figure you've never heard of. The podcast is part biography/part hip-hop history lesson. Is Lighty's life story strong enough to carry this series and can the podcast appeal to listeners unfamiliar with his music?

                In Crime of the Week: A Florida man sits on a gun and then exactly what you'd guess happens.

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                True Crime & Wine, Disappointing Verdicts, & Raccoon Badassery

                True Crime & Wine, Disappointing Verdicts, & Raccoon Badassery

                Love mail galore as listeners weigh in on Ear Hustle, Toby's dog-like voice, and listening to our show during the most important moments of their lives (really!). Then, our take on the not-so surprising (but still upsetting) verdicts in the trials of Bill Cosby and Jeronimo Yanez, the cop that killed Philando Castille.

                In the back half, we look at a documentary that even Lara Bricker's fire chief husband enjoyed, Sour Grapes on Netflix. This tale of a high-end wine con man had us asking - do we give a crap when a smart guy bilks a Koch brother out of millions of dollars?

                And in our Crime of the Week, a Maine woman is more badass than we could ever hope to be.

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                Ear Hustle Crushes It! Adnan's Judges Get It! & Another S-Town Twist

                Ear Hustle Crushes It! Adnan's Judges Get It! & Another S-Town Twist

                What should Toby's standard karaoke song be? THE WORLD IS WEIGHING IN.

                Rebecca heard something in this week's Undisclosed episode on Adnan Syed's cross appeal proceeding that she REALLY wants you to hear. The judges really seem to get it...we think?

                S-Town is making SO much news as the trial of Tyler Goodson will now incorporate his part in the podcast as evidence. Should Brian Reed have used tape that put Tyler in legal peril? The panel is split. (Note: This episode was recorded before news of Tyler's arrest for animal cruelty.)

                Ear Hustle is finally here, and - spoiler alert - it's AWESOME. But we review it anyway.

                In our crime of the week, Florida Man is back! And he REALLY loves Hooters.

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                Adnan Syed & Steven Avery Updates, The Keepers (Wrapped in Newspaper!) Detail & 74 Seconds

                Adnan Syed & Steven Avery Updates, The Keepers (Wrapped in Newspaper!) Detail & 74 Seconds

                The State of Maryland got its bite at the apple, asking a three judge panel to reinstate Adnan Syed's conviction. The hour-long hearing dove more into Asia McClain and not-so-much into fax cover sheets. What's next for the "Serial" season one subject?

                Did we forget to mention the CRAZIEST thing that came out of "The Keepers"? Like a particular body part wrapped in newspaper and thrown on the table during the interrogation of a priest? We're backing the train up so we can unwrap (sorry) that one.

                The Crime Writers spend more than 74 seconds to discuss "74 Seconds" from Minnesota Public Radio. This look at the fatal shooting of a motorist by a cop (live-streamed on Facebook) tackles the familiar themes of race, violence, and law enforcement training. With some episodes exploring the back story of the players in the shooting - and other episodes providing real-time updates from the court house - 74 Seconds feels like two separate podcasts. What's working? What's not?

                In Crime of the Week: Some wanted men just can't stop the music. How karaoke landed a fugitive in jail.

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                Jeepers! Netflix's The Keepers, Tiger Woods' Fall, and Dede Revisited

                Jeepers! Netflix's The Keepers, Tiger Woods' Fall, and Dede Revisited

                We start with a pat on the back for Kevin, as our spin-off podcast "...These Are Their Stories" has been nominated for Best TV/Film Podcast by the Academy of Podcasting. No one knows how or why the show was picked, but they needed 10 to fill out the category, so...

                Thanks to the many listeners who helped fill in some of the narrative holes left by "Mommy Dead and Dearest." Among the questions answered from last week include facts about feeding tubes, Dede's medical knowledge, and reasons why she was able to fool physicians into thinking Gypsy was chronically ill.

                Rebecca comments on the media coverage of the DUI arrest of Tiger Woods. Is it the typical case of a hero plummeting to Earth, or is race playing a role in the negative coverage?

                Then...the show you've been waiting for...Netflix's "The Keepers." The documentary seemed to have everything: murder, sex trafficking, cover-ups. Despite the great source material, did the film makers really make the most of the story that was there?

                In Crime of the Week, two teachers come to blows fighting over a man. The student's can't even...

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                She can walk!!! Is Mommy Dead and Dearest PEAK true crime?

                She can walk!!! Is Mommy Dead and Dearest PEAK true crime?

                The crime writers take on the super weird and (sort of) satisfying HBO film Mommy Dead and Dearest. Plus, we explain why we talk about some podcasts and not others, Rebecca asks our listeners for a HUGE favor, and a listener schools the panel on how to pronounce a certain city in Maine.

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