Intrigued by S-Town ! Disturbed by Tickled ! And the Owl Theory takes flight!

Intrigued by S-Town ! Disturbed by Tickled ! And the Owl Theory takes flight!

What do you do in the middle of blizzard? Record a podcast, of course. 

First, the trailer for the new Serial spin-off "S-town" dropped! What will the seven episode series be about? We don't know, but Sarah Koenig's crew gave us an interesting taste and OF COURSE we had to talk about it.

Plus, despite taking an Alford plea last month, the Michael Peterson case is not *quite* over. The subject of the exceptional miniseries "The Staircase" is looking into the theory that his wife was actually killed in the stairwell during an owl attack. The claim had been downplayed by Peterson's defense team, and was the focus of episode 1 of the podcast "Criminal," but now they want experts to examine the feathers found with Kathleen's body. At this point does Peterson have anything to lose...or anything to win?

Then it's probably the most unusual documentary ever discussed on the podcast. "Tickled," a journalist's look into videos of the sport of "competitive endurance tickling," is NOT the lighthearted romp the title might imply. Instead, the doc takes dark and unexpected turns as the reporter tries to uncover who is behind this secretive video empire and the attempt to ruin all foes in their way. 

In the Crime of the Week: Moms + school dropoff lane + maybe too much "Big Little Lies" = gun play. Time to send the parents to time out.

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A Richard Simmons Slump! An Adnan Syed Tidbit! And A Review of Time: The Kalief Browder Story.

A Richard Simmons Slump! An Adnan Syed Tidbit! And A Review of Time: The Kalief Browder Story.

The panel is at full strength now that Lara managed to talk her way out of an arrest by the railroad police (yes, there is such a thing).

We begin with some voice messages from listeners wondering what the "Up and Vanished" serendipitous conclusion means for the realm of true crime podcasting.

We return again to the white hot podcast "Missing Richard Simmons." Are the crime writers still committed to seeing (hearing) this journey through?

Then we turn our attention to Spike TV's six-part doc "Time: The Kalief Browder Story." It's a heavy look at the true story of a black teen who spent 800 days in solitary confinement on Rikers Island while awaiting trial of a flimsy robbery charge. Is it perhaps too heavy to enjoy...or too important to ignore?

The Crime of Week deals with a politician whose resume is all sizzle and no steak.

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State v Adnan Syed (AGAIN), MORE Missing Richard Simmons & HBO's Big Little Lies

State v Adnan Syed (AGAIN), MORE Missing Richard Simmons & HBO's Big Little Lies

It's another paper dump in the ongoing appeals around Adnan Syed from Serial season one. This time the State has written its arguments on why the lower court erred in granted Adnan a new trial. Kevin takes a look at what their case hangs on, and Rebecca gives it a big old eye roll (cute the hate mail!).

And, episode 3 of Missing Richard Simmons was CRAY. From witchcraft to bitchcraft, we learned Richard's closest confidants f'ing HATE each other. How can we not revisit a podcast that brings up black magic? Yeah...we're SO gonna do that.

Then, the Crime Writers examine HBO's newest murder mystery mini-series, "Big Little Lies." Does an A-list cast + domestic noir = another hit? 

And should the producers stay keep the same killer/victim as the book, or make it fresh for the whole audience?

Plus, what we learned in this Crime of the Week: if you live to be 100 you might get a lap dance from your nurse.

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We Talk About 'Missing Richard Simmons' AND That 'Up and Vanished' True Crime Update!

We Talk About 'Missing Richard Simmons' AND That 'Up and Vanished' True Crime Update!

Can you feel the love tonight? The Crime Writers can. 

Plus, the gang dives in to the breaking news about an arrest in the Tara Grinstead case - that's the one featured in the "Up and Vanished" podcast.

At the time of our recording, it was unclear what role the podcast played in Ryan Duke's arrest, but did Payne Linsey's grandmother actually know more than the cops did?

Next, Rebecca interviews Missing Richard Simmons creator Dan Taberski about why he was drawn to the vanishing of everyone's favorite flamboyant exercise guru. 

Then the Crime Writers review the podcast: Is it ethical to chronicle someone's withdrawal from public life? What makes Simmons's story so uniquely compelling? Why did someone who gave support to so many individuals seemingly turn his back on them? Also, Kevin recalls his own professional interactions with Richard Simmons.

Bonus material: Here's the video clip Rebecca mentions of Richard leaving the Howard Stern Show in tears. 

In the Crime of the Week: a squirrel plays guard dog by going spider monkey on a cat burglar. 


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Out Like Serial's Flynn, Etan's Legacy, and Shadow of Truth

Out Like Flynn, Etan's Legacy, and Shadow of Truth

In a jam-packed episode, the panel drinks the hater-aid as they read some of their correspondence. Rebecca name drops her fill-in gig on Slate's "Mom & Dad Are Fighting" podcast - which, ironically, is what the Lavoie-Flynn kids call "Crime Writers On!"

A figure from Serial Season 2 makes a cameo, a certain general who made the adamant assertion that any soldier wounded in Afghanistan can be linked to Bowe Bergdahl's rescue mission. 

And, after waiting almost 40 years for a conviction, the crime writers take a thoughtful dive into the famous Etan Patz kidnapping case. It was more than just the crime that put kids' faces on milk cartons - it was the social turning point in how parents perceived the safety of their children.

In our review segment, the crew goes around the horn on whether or not you should check out the Israeli documentary "Shadow of Truth," now available on Netflix. This four-part subtitled mini-series looks at the sensational murder of a teenage girl, the questionable investigation into the convicted killer, and the rabid public fan base that trolls the Internet seeking alternative suspects. (Kind of sounds like a certain American podcast we've listened to...)

Then, in the Crime of the Week, the cops give a fugitive a tumble...and a spin.

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The Staircase/Michael Peterson Owl Theory, Alford Pleas & A Stranglers Podcast Review

The Staircase/Michael Peterson Owl Theory, Alford Pleas & A Stranglers Podcast Review

The panel tackles a HUGE true crime update - the Alford plea taken by Michael Peterson, the novelist and suspected murder featured in The Staircase - a documentary Rebecca contends is the Citizen Kane of true crime. As a bonus, our very own Legal Siri (AKA legal professor and Undisclosed genius Colin Miller) educates us on WTH Alford pleas actually are. 

Then the Crime Writers argue about an alternative theory posed in the Peterson case...was his wife Kathleen actually killed by an owl? That was the theory posed in the amazing pilot episode of the podcast Criminal - but Toby's not exactly buying it. (Shocking, we know.)

Then, in our regular segment about whether you should watch/listen to/read the latest big thing in crime media, we review Stranglers, the podcast by Earwolf that takes a deep ol' dive into the Boston Strangler case. (Warning: This segment features a quasi-mansplain meltdown and Kevin Flynn doing a pretty convincing trashy Boston accent.)

Finally, our Crime of the Week features one of Rebecca's favorite big box stores, a sex crime, and scabies.

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YUGE Serial News! Beware the Slenderman! And the Bear Brook Murders...solved?

YUGE Serial News! Beware the Slenderman! And the Bear Brook Murders...solved?

The first Serial spinoff, "S-town," will be dropping in March. And we do mean "dropping." Serial Productions says it will release all of its episodes at once...making it one of the first major podcasts to invite fans to binge listen. Will you listen? Of course you will. And so will we!

Rebecca brings in reporter Jason Moon to discuss an evolving story he's been covering: the decade's old case of four unidentified bodies found in two barrels in Allentown NH's Bear Brook Park. A seemingly unrelated murder on the other side of the country may have revealed the killer...but still not the victims.

Then the panel goes into the scary, provocative HBO documentary, "Beware the Slenderman." It looks at the case of two young girls who stabbed their friend to appease this modern-day boogeyman. How did Slenderman become an Internet underworld phenomenon and why did they believe Slenderman was real? Don't watch this one in the dark.

Then in Crime of the Week, the only way to foil high-tech crooks is to go old school.

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No Serial Pardon, Bowe Bergdahl's Trump Problem & The Myth Of Kitty Genovese

No Serial Pardon, Bowe Bergdahl's Trump Problem & The Myth Of Kitty Genovese

Homework note: next week we're talking about HBO's "Beware the Slenderman."

Pardon us. Please. We're looking into the latest twist in the court martial of Serial season two protagonist Bowe Bergdahl. We're joined by friend-of-the-show USMC Judge Advocate James Weirick (ret), host of the Military Justice podcast. Now that former-President Obama declined to pardon Bergdahl, his lawyers say he can't get a fair trial with President Trump as Commander-in-Chief. Weirick will explain the arguments in the docket, why they submitted a video presentation, and he'll also provide some insight into the clemency granted to Pvt. Chelsea Manning. 

Also, Lara gives a quick review of the new true crime podcast, Gone at 21. One of her positives: "it's short."

Then we'll talk about a documentary premiering on PBS's Independent Lens, "The Witness" (also available on Netflix). It reexamines the infamous 1964 murder of Kitty Genovese, the NY woman killed as 38 neighbors alleg edly watched but did nothing. Fifty years later Kitty's brother, Bill, digs into a crime he (and we) don't really know the truth about...including the myth that so many bystanders did nothing. 

And in the Crime of the Week, one Florida man makes a big mistake when seeking his own presidential pardon.

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Serial Appeal Stumble, Journalism Bullies & Suspect Convictions

Serial Appeal Stumble, Journalism Bullies & Suspect Convictions

Toby's back...just in time to weigh in on the newest true crime podcast fill our ears.

But first - the state of Maryland has won the latest round in Adnan Syed's quest to get out of prison now that his conviction has been overturned. What does it mean that they've been granted a "Leave to Appeal" and how much closer are we to a new trial for the Serial season one protagonist? 

Then, we talk about something a little bit weird that happened during the latest episode of one of our favorite podcasters, Amber Hunt of the Cincinnati Enquirer's Accused podcast.

Then we'll get into "Suspect Convictions," and break down what's good, not good, and controversial (among the panel) about this true crime podcast from WVIK.

In the Crime of the Week, we're getting frisky in the Granite State - and it's got some goopy consequences!

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Serial Snobbery? A JonBenet Lawsuit! And Scientology & The Aftermath

Serial Snobbery? A JonBenet Lawsuit! And Scientology & The Aftermath

When Toby's away, the mice will play...AND talk about all sorts of great stuff.

Special guest panelist Amelia McDonnell-Parry gives us a lowdown on what she saw at Adnan Syed's PCR hearing, and why she thinks Sarah Koenig isn't doing the right thing by ignoring new evidence dug up by other podcasters.

Plus, our true crime update takes on that $750 MILLION dollar lawsuit filed by Burke Ramsey after a CBS special pointed to him as the murderer of his sister, JonBenet. The panel has some strong feelings about that.

And then, Scientology doesn't freak Kevin out, but talking about it does. Nonetheless, we give an overview of the incredible docuseries created by Queen of Queens (and Queen of Nails) Leah Remini, A&E's Scientology & the Aftermath.

After our crime of the week airs, one upstate New York man may try to buy every copy of this podcast. Yeah...we know.

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Adnan Syed's Setback, Serial's Audio Boo-Boo, and a Homecoming Podcast Review

Adnan Syed's Setback, Serial's Audio Boo-Boo, and a Homecoming Podcast Review

After a holiday break, we're back. And so much has happened again. 

In the land of true crime podcast updates, Adnan Syed has been denied bail while he awaits a new trial. The panel talks about that decision.

In other Serial news, we learned Sarah Koenig & co made a big boo-boo when putting together season one. Namely: using courtroom audio that was prohibited from broadcast. This time, justice was merciful.

Kevin responds to listener reaction to his criticism of "Someone Knows Something." Again, it's another feisty split decision.

In this week's installment of "Should You Listen?" the panel weighs in on Gimlet's star-powered "Homecoming." Is this the latest Gimlet podcast to break the mold?

In the Crime of the Week, an FBI sting operation on Capitol Hill! The target - no, not corrupt politicians - a bootleg DVD ring. 

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A FEISTY Split Decision: Should You Listen to This True Crime Podcast?

A FEISTY Split Decision: Should You Listen to This True Crime Podcast?

The CBC's Someone Knows Something is back with a second season.

So should you listen? That's the question the crime writers will try to answer. Spoiler: it's a split decision, with at least one of the panelists (ahem, Kevin) expressing a very passionate opinion.

WILL CANADA EVER FORGIVE US? We hope so.

The good news: host David Ridgen is back for his second interview with Rebecca, and he's really, really awesome. The bad news: after the interview, Kevin Flynn has a meltdown over how much he hates the podcast. It's kind of epic, but at least he feels a little bit bad about it.

Also, we eliminate homework for our listeners...especially for those of you who never do it!

In the Crime of the Week, a Santa-lookalike is kicked out of Six Flags. Grinch move or totes justified?

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Crimetown & Westworld - Whoa!!

Crimetown, Westworld, Whoa!

This week we dive in to two format-smashing shows: one the up-ends the conventions of podcast storytelling, and one that challenges the concept of story telling itself.

The panel examines "Crimetown." This podcast from Gimlet sounds like nothing we've heard before. Are they setting a new bar for the traditional first-person investigative podcast or are they creating a completely new genre?

Also, the crime writers give their take on HBO's dizzying & dazzling "Westworld." Was the western-tinged sci-fi series about man's inhumanity, a study on free will, or a contemplation of on the power of story? Or just a bunch of cowboys shooting and having sex with robots?

Plus, Toby checks his Amazon Christmas list (is your gift on it?). We'll hear from a listener who offers her two cents on the Justin Ross Harris verdict (and then we offer her ours).

The Crime of the Week looks at the War on Christmas...by beavers.

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Serial Scoop? Breakdown Conviction! Undisclosed Up Close! And Missing & Murdered

So many gifts for true crime fans this holiday season, as a new batch of podcasts are hitting the charts. Where to begin...where to begin?

First, the panel drops a ton of true crime updates. These include a last-minute order keeping Brendan Dassey in prison, a verdict in Breakdown's Justin Ross Harris case, and a newspaper editorial calling for a pardon for Bowe Bergdahl. Plus, Rebecca parties-hearty with the team from Undisclosed and Addendum

The most exciting news comes from "Serial" co-creator Julie Snyder who says their team will be dropping a new seven-week podcast in March. No, it's not Serial season three, but it sounds like a compelling story nonetheless - and Rebecca's got a decent theory as to who will be telling it.

Then we dive into the CBC's investigation of the Alberta Williams case, "Missing & Murdered." Set on an island fishing town off the coast of British Columbia, this podcast looks at a cold case from 1989, and the cop (and reporter) who's not afraid to name names. Bonus: Rebecca interviews host Connie Walker about making the podcast!

Finally, we go all "Hidden Tiger, Crouching Dragon" in the Crime of the Week.

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Crime Writers on Crime Writers. A Surprise Live "Crime Bake" Show.

Crime Writers on Crime Writers. A Surprise Live "Crime Bake" Show.

A Serial spinoff?! A verdict in the Breakdown / Justin Ross Harris case! Brendan Dassey can go home, and then he can't!

All great topics to talk about, right?

Sorry to say we're not going to get to any of those this week. That's because we pre-recorded this episode at the New England Crime Bake, a convention for crime & mystery writers, on Saturday. Who would have thought all this good stuff would happen after we wrapped?

("So you'll get to it next week, right guys? The week of Thanksgiving?" Well, about that...)

In this live recording, the podcasting crime writers tell a room of nonpodcasting crime writers about Lara's cat's chlamydia, how we got started writing, and answer some listener emails and tweets. (Kevin's a hater? Says who?)

Later, we pluck a writer from the crowd. We ask Maureen Milliken her about her work and boy, does she deliver!

And this week's Crime of the Week is awwwww-ful.

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Serial Season 3 News? Sort Of. And What's Different About Up and Vanished?

Serial Season 3 News? Sort Of. And What's Different About Up and Vanished? 

Breaking: Lara's cat has a super weird disease! For real.

Some maybe-news about Serial Season 3 has us theorizing. Was Kevin super, duper wrong when he said Sarah Koenig would never do a true crime story again?

Plus, we get a whole lot of listener email and tweets about what podcasts we should be listening to and talking about.

One of the podcasts we’ve had pimped to us the most often lately is the hit show "Up and Vanished," an investigative podcast about the 2005 disappearance of Ocilla Georgia Beauty queen Tara Grinstead.

But before we get into our discussion about Up and Vanished, we'll first listen in to Rebecca's conversation with someone who knows a little bit about that show - its host and creator Payne Lindsey. Even if you haven't heard the podcast, you should listen to this interview.

And, Toby apologizes to a nation. And our Crime of the Week strikes pretty damn close to home.

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In The Dark's Finale And Our Book, TV & Podcast Picks

In the Dark's finale And our Book, TV & Podcast Picks

What do people want to talk about? World Series? Presidential election? Nope. The world wants to know what Lara Bricker got arrested for. (Hint: it wasn't election fraud.) Looks like her accomplices left her holding the bag...literally.

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In our audience feedback segment, the Crime Writers respond to a heartwarming email from a cancer survivor who's ready to take on the challenge of punching one of their least-favorite attorneys. 

Then, when it's time for business, the panel digs into the final episode of APM Reports' "In the Dark." Madeleine Baran didn't pull punches when it came to the police narrative that Danny Heinrich was just too good at covering his tracks for 25+ years. But is her conclusion too broad? Unfair? (Sometimes investigators know who did it, but can't get enough to make the arrest - as officials have told Rebecca & Kevin about the Stacey Burns "Mothers Day Murder" case.)

Finally, Rebecca, Kevin, Lara, and Toby offer up their recommendations about what you should be listening to, reading, and watching right now.

Crime of the Week: When it comes to Halloween candy, someone can give you a break - you're just not supposed to steal it.

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Adnan Syed's Bail Motion, Sarah Koenig's Serial Choices, Offshore's Big Splash

Adnan Syed's Bail Motion, Sarah Koenig's Serial Choices, Offshore's Big Splash

Heads up Baltimore City Court! Here comes Adnan Syed seeking a bail hearing. It's not your usual motion, written more like a campaign speech than a legal brief.

The Crime Writers dig into the latest in the efforts of Serial's protagonist to get out of prison now that his conviction has been vacated.

And a journalism conundrum: IF Sarah Koenig knew about Jay Wild's post-Adnan criminal history, should she have included it in Serial?

Also, the panel hangs ten in Hawaii with the new podcast, "Offshore" from Honolulu Civil Beat and PRX. Can a white reporter do justice to a tale of Hawaiian culture and disenfranchisement? 

Related: Toby recommends reading this article from the New Yorker, "The American Raj," to learn more about Hawaiian history.

In our Crime of the Week, the panel shakes the tree. But who goes undercover as a tree, anyway? (Kevin reported on a similar bank robbery story in NH. Watch the version filed by his colleagues.)

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A Triple True Crime Podcast Bonanza - Phoebe's Fall, Breakdown & In The Dark

Tripped up by Phoebe's Fall, Breakdown's REAL Mission & In The Dark's Enlightenment

So that happened.

Things get back to normal in the Crime Writers' world. They discuss the perils of doing bad accents and explain why they can't do audio book versions of their own books.

A true crime update (add your own echo): Burke Ramsey has followed through on his threat to sue over the CBS special on his sister's murder. Looks like the case will focus on one comment from one person.

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Then the focus shifts to the new investigative podcast from Australia, "Phoebe's Fall." We know that Phoebe Handsjuk dropped 12 stories down a garbage chute, crawled out, only to bleed to death from injuries from the trash compactor. Was it a suicide attempt? Was it a drunken misadventure? Or was it something more nefarious? So far, the Crime Writers have mixed opinions. 

Footnote: for another strange how-did-she-get-into-that situation, check out the case of a 21-year-old Chinese tourist who drowned in a hotel water tank.

Checking in with some of the other leading true crime podcasts, in "In The Dark"'s penultimate episode, the Sterns County sheriff is confronted with their pitiful clearance rate. And the trial of Justin Ross Harris is finally underway in "Breakdown."

In the Crime of the Week, don't block a driveway in Australia...even if it's your own. 

NEXT WEEK'S HOMEWORK: From PRX, the new Offshore podcast.

From Partners in Crime Media: a new mystery podcast, "The Disappearance Podcast." If you like "The Black Tapes," and "The Message," you'll want to download this one.

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Amanda Knox - The Documentary and Case That Divides Us All

Amanda Knox - The Documentary and Case That Divides Us All

Oh no! We went there!

The Crime Writers discuss the controversial Netflix doc "Amanda Knox." Why are we still intrigued by the murder case? Does any of the evidence add up? Is the motive believable? Is Knox herself credible? As she says, "Either I am a psychopath in sheep's clothing or I am you."

Rebecca and Kevin welcome back Dr. Elizabeth Yardley to explain why the British have such a different (and more visceral) view of the case than Americans do. Could it be they were each seeing a different case in their papers and on their TV screens?  

Bigger question: how bad are the writers going to get trolled on Twitter for their views?

Because it seems some people  - not everyone, but some -  feel really, really, REALLY strongly about this case and you better agree with them in 140 characters (or the 140 consecutive tweets with which they will flood your feed)! 

In Crime of the Week...a SWAT team takes out an 81-year-old woman for growing a single marijuana plant. Good thing she wasn't stealing cable TV...she'd probably be dead. 

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